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    00 15/03/2004 14:27
    Ho letto sulla rivista dragons e dungeons l'uscita di un nuovo materiale, denominato materiali delle arti erotiche o qualcosa di simiel (sulla copertina è riportata la foto di una succube(cioè una modella vestita da demone donna pure bona)), volevo chiedere se qualcuno l'ha visto nei negozi, se già è uscito in italia, se siete interessati all'argomento (bè incantesimi in tema sarebbero il massimo), quello che so io è quanto scritto sulla rivista e si riduce a 2 pagine.
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    00 15/03/2004 15:22
    E' già uscito, ed è già stato detto dalla 25 edition che non lo tradurrà (oltretutto non è un manuale della Wizard). Eccone una recensione (in lingua originale):

    The Book or Erotic Fantasy is a theme based hardcover that covers sex, love, pregnancy, STDs, secution, marriage and other erotic themes and its role in a standard d20 fantasy setting.

    Some may object to the use of photographs for use with a role playing game. Many of the pictures are adequate at covering their subject and include men and women. My only problem is that well, let's face it, a lot of well known fantasy artists have been providing cheesecake pictures for decades now and in some cases, would've done a better job than the glitzy photos and the modifications that went through them. Some are very good, peaceful looking, others not so good.

    The book itself covers many areas that are important to a game, even one not being graphic. At the same time, the authors have limited the book's coverage by not including material on bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia. Smart move on their part.

    But say you don't need rules for sex or anything of that nature? Is there anything in the book for you? Some of the ideas on how the different races treat sex, and how they go through pregnancy and childbirth are good reading. The stout dwarves, given the proper manual when they come of age, the half-elves and their awkward time no matter which race their raised with and even many creatures from the Monster Manual, given important details and ideas for those who want to include a little more than lusty barmaids in their encounters.

    Another smart thing done is the introduction of Appearance as an ability score. I say smart because since this is an OGL book and not a d20 one, they include different rules on how to customize character creation if using a seventh stat. In addition, they provide general scores for creatures depending on type, change skills in the PHB, and provide specific examples of Appearance score so that the reader has a good idea of what things look like, as opposed to their force of personality. On the other hand, if not using a lot of the material from this book, it's going to become the favored new 'dump' stat and just make everyone more buff, quick, and enduring, but ugly and weak personalities.

    The feats, core classes and PrCs are focused on one or another aspect of sex. In some cases, there doesn't seem to be enough variance. Some fill some gaps in the basic system. For example, the Imagist core class fills a role of spontaneous divine caster who inspires others to greater heights including the ability to inspire smite evil. The Kundala “a blend of martial powers and mystical energy” sound like they'd be perfect for a Mindshadows campaign. Very monk like with a small number of spells available to them as they go up in levels. Their hand to hand damage is no laughing matter either.

    In terms of too similar, the Disciple of Aaluran act as living altars where love is freely given in order for the worshipper to communicate with his god while the Sacred Prostitute follows a similar path offering her body as a “temple”. Different abilities but too similar in origins. Others fill standard roles like the Rake, a seducer with a silk tongue and some roguish abilities to the Harem Protector, a bodyguard with a specific purpose and lacking some important equipment.

    My personal favorite is the Metaphysical Spellshaper. They can sacrifice ability points to fill in for spell levels. The example they use is Maximizing a Fireball spell and taking 3 points of ability damage to a single ability. The best part is that you don't have to be the right level to cast the spell, as long as you're able to cast that level of spell. Since this would be a 7th level spell, the user has to have at least a 17 Intelligence score.

    The spells and domains continue to fill the sexual roles in a d20 campaign. For domains, there are Body, Denial, Joining, Perversion, Pleasure and Voyeur. Each one with a granted power and spells listed from 1st-9th level. Spells are introduced by class, level and alphabetical order. Only core classes and new classes are covered though so no lists for Assassins, Blackguards and other core PrCs.

    Spells range from small and useful, like Block the seed, which prevents conception for 1 hour a level, to Magic Probe, a spells that reveals all spells currently on a target. Good for any group that wants to know what their facing when the enemy mage comes out. On a cursed based theme, Jealousy deals damage to the target if he sleeps with anyone other than the caster even as Impotency renders the target, well, impotent. Because some of the spells are useful outside of the implied sexual theme, they're able to be used in any campaign. Come to Me for example, can teleport an ally to you in combat.

    Another nice thing is that the book doesn't ignore the potential for use with their systems, like the stat Appearance, with old spells. Information on using spells found in the PHB with this book and its theme are included so you can find new uses for the spell Calm Emotions or Geas/Quest, even as Invisibility becomes the voyeurs choice of spells.

    Like many good sourcebooks, Core Classes, PrCs, Feats, Skills, are not enough. There are also lists of mundane items, magic items, monsters and other goods to be found. This is perfect for those who want to add more details to their game, although it's obviously not going to be for every game while others will fit right in. I know for example, that many people, ever since that 1st edition Dungeon Master's Guide with it's infamous prostitute table, want an update cost list to the different types of partners and this book provides one ranging from Escorts, to Masseuses.

    Many of them work on material introduced in this book to enforce it's themes and utility. For example, Dark Talon is a +1 sadistic unholy bastard sword. Sadistic is a new ability here where the weapon deads extra damage on a blow. How about the Fiendskin Armor property? Three times per day the user can activate protection from good. As in other areas, the fact that not everything is meant for erotic use only gives the book utility beyond its scope.

    The monsters include a lot of templates like Half-Demon, Half-Devil, and Serpentine. I'm not sure we really needed specific templates of some of the material, but it works and adds more options to the game without, once again, having to relate directly to sex.

    Chapter Seven, the last chapter of the book, helps out a poor GM. For example, there are 100 adventure seeds listed. These are simple one or two sentence ideas that can be added to almost any type of game. In addition, there are organizations listed. These include background and adventure ideas. These are brief organizations, nothing like the details in say, Guildcraft from Bastion Press. More impressive is the Velvet Room as it's actually mapped out with details. Maps are always good because they act as templates and allow a GM quick visual knowledge and allow him to customize the material

    The book also includes an index. Now that's important as there are a lot of ideas and materia introduced here. It also includes a listing of Appearance scores for common monsters, as well as a breakdown of challenge ratings of monsters introduced in this book, and even includes the page number, as well as the CR! The Phil & Dixie carton is actual a little bit of a let down since I'm an old reader of Dragon and have remembered their whole thing about Sex & D&D. This carton doesn't go in that direction and instead spears the dreaded Rules Lawyer.

    There are some parts of the book I haven't gotten to because the review is getting long in the teeth. For instance, feats, specific items, the discussion on sex and it's role in the campaign. For instance, they don't recommend some of those feats if your campaign is combat heavy and never involves roleplaying.

    The paper is good stock. Layout simple two column with good use of space. Tables are done in a parchment style to differentiate it from the text. The cover is one of the weaker photographs. I don't know if this applies to all copies, but mine came in plastic with the warning label on the outsider. A useful idea for those, like me, who despite having stickers on their books. Perhaps Wizards of the Coast could take a lesson here and insure that their 'mature' titles aren't looked at by younger gamers by putting it in plastic?

    The book has a theme and rules for using that theme. If you're not looking for rules that cover sex, then there is still material here that can be useful but it'd be like buying a book on Vampires and having no interest in vampires. If you're interested in the subject, this is a high quality product that could've benefited from more variety in it's art choices.


    Ed eccone anche l'indice:

    Table of Contents
    Introduction 4
    Chapter 1: Love, Sex, & Roleplaying 5
    Why Include Sex in Your Game? 5
    Handling Sex in a Mature Way 6
    Sex and Roleplaying 6
    Romance, Seduction, and Love 7
    Sex and Humor 7
    Sidebar: "Rating Sex in Your Game” 7
    Consent and Sex 8
    Sexual Orientation 8
    Love and Sex Between Player Characters 8
    Kinks and Fetishes 9
    Prostitution: Sacred and Profane 9
    Pornography 10
    Consequences of Love and Sex 10
    Marriage and Bonding 11
    Commitment and Infidelity 11
    Pregnancy and Childbirth 11
    The Cons 12
    Chastity 12
    Sexual Taboos 13
    Cultural Taboos 13
    Universal Taboos 13
    Rites of Passage 13
    Marriage/Committed Union Customs 14
    Fidelity/Chastity 14
    Duration 14
    Dissolution 15
    Sex and the Alignments 15
    Lawful Good 15
    Neutral Good 17
    Thunderhooves sidebar 17
    Chaotic Good 19
    Lawful Neutral 19
    Neutral 20
    Chaotic Neutral 20
    Lawful Evil 21
    Neutral Evil 22
    Chaotic Evil 22
    Sex and the Species 23
    Player Character Races 23
    Dwarf 23
    Elf 23
    Gnome 24
    Half-elf 25
    Sidebar: Intelligence and Sex 25
    Half-orc 26
    Sidebar: Half-breeds and Pregnancy 26
    Halfling 27
    Human 27
    Other Humanoids 27
    Centaurs 27
    Doppelgangers 28
    Dryads 28
    Sidebar: House of a Thousand Pleasures 28
    Felids 29
    Giants 29
    Giantborn 30
    Gnolls 30
    Goblinoids 30
    Kobolds 31
    Lizardfolk 31
    Merfolk and Tritons 32
    Minotaurs 32
    Nymphs 32
    Orcs and Ogres 33
    Satyrs 33
    Serpentines 34
    Sprites 34
    Other Creature Types 35
    Aberrations 35
    Animals 36
    Constructs 36
    Dragons 36
    Elementals 37
    Oozes 37
    Outsiders 37
    Plants 37
    Undead 37
    Vermin 38
    Chapter 2: Rules, Skills, & Feats 39
    Rules? For Sex? 39
    Ability Scores 39
    Appearance 39
    Average Appearance Scores 40
    Appearance and Species 40
    Appearance and Sexual Organs 40
    Size and Sex 41
    Sidebar: Variant: Spells 41
    Sustaining Sex 42
    Skills 42
    Appraise 42
    Bluff 42
    Craft 43
    Perform 43
    Profession 44
    Sexually Transmitted Diseases 44
    Social Consequences 45
    Types of Sexually Transmitted Diseases 45
    Fetishes 47
    Pregnancy and Childbirth 47
    Birth Control 48
    Conception 49
    Crossbreeding 49
    Feats 50
    Types of Feats 51
    Chapter 3: Base & Prestige Classes 55
    Imagist 55
    Kundala 59
    Tantrist 62
    Prestige Classes 65
    Disciple of Aaluran 65
    Divine Celibate 67
    Sidebar: Divine Celibate's Mount 68
    Dominator 69
    Fey Enticer 72
    Frenzied Disciple 73
    Sample Frenzied Disciple 75
    Harem Protector 76
    Sample Harem Protector 78
    Knot Binder of Kaladis 78
    Sample Knot Binder of Kaladis 80
    Metaphysical Spellshaper 81
    Sample Metaphysical Spellshaper 82
    Pierced Mystic 84
    Sidebar: Piercing Locations 84
    Rake 86
    Sacred Prostitute 88
    Voyeuristic Seer 91
    Chapter 4: Magic 93
    New Domains 93
    Body Domain 93
    Denial Domain 93
    Joining Domain 94
    Perversion Domain 94
    Pleasure Domain 94
    Voyeur Domain 94
    New Bard Spells 95
    New Cleric Spells 95
    New Druid Spells 96
    New Imagist Spells 96
    New Ranger Spells 97
    New Sorcerer/Wizard Spells 98
    Spells 99
    New Kinks for Old Spells 119
    Sidebar: Sex, Spells, Law, and Morality 120
    Chapter 5: Items 123
    Sexual Goods 123
    Aphrodisiacs 126
    Birth-Control Devices 128
    Sexual Services 129
    Magic Items 131
    Armor and Shield Special Abilities 131
    Sidebar: You're Not Wearing That to Bed, Are You? 131
    Specific Armors 132
    Weapon Special Abilities 132
    Sidebar: Alternate Spaces for Magic Items on the Body 133
    Specific Weapons 134
    Potions 134
    Rings 134
    Rods 135
    Staffs 136
    Wands 136
    Wondrous Items 136
    Special Materials 140
    Cursed Items 140
    Specific Cursed Items 140
    Artifacts 140
    Chapter 6: Gods & Monsters 141
    The Sexual Nature of Deities 141
    Gods 141
    Aaluran 142
    Alilial 143
    Cevelis 144
    Kaladis 145
    Vershnat 146
    Zanbos 147
    Creatures of Passion 147
    Bliss Motes 147
    Cherub, Celestial 149
    Cherub, Fallen 151
    Demonbred 153
    Devilblooded 156
    Felid 158
    Feykissed 159
    Giantborn 160
    Half-demon 162
    Sidebar: Giantborn and Changes in Size 163
    Half-devil 164
    Golem, Pleasure 167
    Serpentine 169
    Succubus, Greater 170
    Chapter 7: Adventures & Organizations 173
    Adventure Ideas 173
    Organizations 176
    Order of the Unseen Lovers 176
    Damio's Companionship Service 177
    Sample Brothel: The Velvet Room 179
    Seekers of the Eternal Sensation 181
    Appendices 184
    Appendix I: Creature Appearance Scores 184
    Appendix II: Creatures by Challenge Rating 187
    Index 188
    Open Game License 190


    Sul forum della 25 edition, in vecchi topic, potrai trovare maggiori info. IMO, non serve a nulla.

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    00 15/03/2004 17:01
    Un altro bel manuale per non lasciare lavorare la fantasia...
    Anche per la seconda (o forse più in generale per i GdR, nn ricordo) c'era un manuale simile, nn ricordo se ufficiale: THE COMPLETE GUIDE TO UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE FOR FANTASYROLE-PLAYING GAMES.

    ....
    [SM=x77422]

    Ave,
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    00 17/03/2004 13:51
    Ma... Al dove lo trovi il tempo di scrivere pagine dai manuali? Comunque il tuo messaggio lo leggerò con calma nel mese, intanto da quello che hai scritto credo che tu lo abbia! Mi puoi dare qualche incantesimo del manuale appena puoi?
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    00 17/03/2004 15:36
    Uhm...veramente ho fatto copia e incolla da altri siti internet [SM=x77414]
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    00 18/03/2004 16:05
    Ah!
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    00 19/03/2004 10:51
    C'è qualcuno che mi sa dire dove si può trovare in rete? Anche solo una recensione! Devo vedere se ci sono immagini di tigri mannare femmina in pose adamantine. (tranquilli è per la cmapagna)!!!;)

    [Modificato da olidammara 15/09/2004 1.12]

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    00 15/09/2004 10:53
    Secondo me questo manuale è talmente inutile che diventa indispensabile...

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    00 15/09/2004 14:47
    A dirla tutta io ci farei un'intera campagna... immagine che felici i giocatori che gireranno il mondo nei panni di eununchi, meretrici, ingravidadori e il loro scopo sarà quello di sconfiggere tigri mannare superdotate o procaci draghesse!:D
    E non vi dico le armi magiche che gli farei trovare!!!

    Nico
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    00 15/09/2004 16:58
    Beh' se a un gruppo piace essere maniaci o pedofili oppure si vogliono spendere 25 euro inutilmente questo è il miglior manuale della terra... senno...[SM=x77422]
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    00 16/09/2004 13:28
    CHE CAPOLAVORO, CHE CAPOLAVORO!! [SM=x77410] [SM=x77410]


    (anche questa faccina [SM=x77481] lo è =)
    (per non parlare di questa [SM=x77477] troppo lollosa)


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    00 17/09/2004 00:51
    Gente non prendiamo in giro: il manuale in sè è inutile, ma evidentemente non avete mai avuto nel gruppo uno stregone armato di vibratore, una spada senziente misogina e, leggenda, una chierica ninfomane (la interpreta un mio amico ed è TROPPO divertente ;))...:D
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    00 24/09/2004 14:49
    Più che inutile direi che un manuale del genere è superfluo in qualunque gruppo. Nel mio gruppo di trovate erotiche (e non ho detto porno, perchè questo è un forum serio) ne trova di nuove ogni seduta: immagino lo stesso accada da voi... e non ditemi che se ci fosse un manuale del genere anche a 5 € voi lo prendereste???(:



  • Kalius
    00 24/09/2004 15:44
    Re:
    Chissà se faranno una versione 3.5 di questo...

    l'ingravidatore non prende più al 4 liv ingravidare miglorato, ma bensì la scelta di specializzarsi in ingravidare in volo o ingravidare con 2 mani... al 7 liv prende l'abilità fottitene e fottili e dimentica cosa sia l'amore, al 9 livello prende assistenza del bobby: per una volta al giorno + car può scegliere se farsi aiutare dal suo membro a combattere con un +20 alla mischia...
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    00 24/09/2004 23:47
    E non parliamo dei PNG prestigiosi... altro che incontrare Drizz o Elminster, qua i PG avranno modo di incontrare Rocco Siffredi o Peter North. [SM=x77480] E gli dèi? Il Cul(to) di Moana è quello che gode di più fedeli[SM=x77410]

    Scusate, ma questo topic batterà ogni record di risposte!!!(:

    Vale et valete, nico
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    00 25/09/2004 11:26
    forse in ritardo, ditemi se 'sto link vi può interessare....

    per El, un po' in ritardo: il manuale citato da te per la 2° era un netbook non ufficiale...


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    00 25/09/2004 11:49
    Si, si, è quello che dicevo io, visto?[SM=x77425]
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    00 25/09/2004 12:38
    DEVO VERE QUESTO LIBRO!!!!!
    20 nuove abilità, 3 nuove classi, 12 nuove classi di prestigio, 6 nuovi domini, + di 75 nuovi inc, 6 nuovi dei e 12 nuovi mostri?
    E tutti riguardanti il sesso!!!!!??????
    :: 8|
    Questo è un muast. Appena lo trovo vi posto degli esempi!!!![SM=x77416]
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    00 25/09/2004 12:39
    DEVO VERE QUESTO LIBRO!!!!!
    20 nuove abilità, 3 nuove classi, 12 nuove classi di prestigio, 6 nuovi domini, + di 75 nuovi inc, 6 nuovi dei e 12 nuovi mostri?
    E tutti riguardanti il sesso!!!!!??????
    :: 8|
    Questo è un muast. Appena lo trovo vi posto degli esempi!!!![SM=x77416]
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    00 25/09/2004 12:55
    ma vi immaginate se una gigantessa si innamora perdutamente del vostro pg e volesse "consumare" a tutti i costi

    credete che 8 gradi in conoscenza delle zone selvagge possa essere d'aiuto?
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